Posts by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

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Being part of the org essential for salvation

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

good evening,.

i am in search of recent articles in the watchtower, or in other articles that are available on jw.org, that explain that one has to be part of the organisation as a condition for salvation.. i can only find articles on sites other than jw.org that are from before the year 2000. .

it is for discussions with a jw, so i can only use things from jw.org.. thanks in advance.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

sir82

That one is perfect!

Thank you very much

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Being part of the org essential for salvation

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

good evening,.

i am in search of recent articles in the watchtower, or in other articles that are available on jw.org, that explain that one has to be part of the organisation as a condition for salvation.. i can only find articles on sites other than jw.org that are from before the year 2000. .

it is for discussions with a jw, so i can only use things from jw.org.. thanks in advance.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Good evening,

I am in search of recent articles in the watchtower, or in other articles that are available on jw.org, that explain that one has to be part of the organisation as a condition for salvation.

I can only find articles on sites other than jw.org that are from before the year 2000.

It is for discussions with a JW, so I can only use things from jw.org.

Thanks in advance

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Reasons why I and we can succeed in life without religion.

by googleTTATT in

i am compiling my list of reasons.

you can add yours if you like to.. 1. religions like telling their members to pay a lot of tithes thereby making their members to be in need and poor..

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Stuckinarut

(If your post was a response to my post)

Is tithing not the correct English term? the tithing was taking place in a protestant French church, not with JW's.

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Does Anyone Know The "Real" Attitude That JWs Have Towards "Inactive Ones"?

by minimus in

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does the rank and file or the elders view us as disassociated or disfellowshipped or simply "weak" or possibly a "prodigal son" type?.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

I don't know my current status. I don't know if I am removed as an unbaptised publisher, I have not received any message of that. If I am still official an unbaptised publisher, then I think JW's see me as inactive. The things that I notice is that instead of helping the ones (me) that suddenly stay away from meetings, they get scared and avoid any contact with us. It is really the opposite of what anyone would expect from Christians.

Sometimes I have received a message from a few people in the congregation, but that was when the CO gave a talk, and they invited me. When they ask why I am no longer coming, I say it is due to personal circonstances. From the elders, it is very silent, not a single one that has asked how things are going. The one that I studied with I told already quite some time ago that I don't believe the org is the channel of God. But I don't know if he has told other people in the cong or that he has kept silent about it. However, quite some people have already removed me from social media since I am no longer attending. I still live exactly the same life as before, I just no longer attend and no longer do ministry. I am not changed.

They are scared of people that no longer fit into their little box.

Edit: I am very happy to say that the person that brought me in the org, I am now slowly bringing out. It's a very good friend that keeps associating no matter what and that now slowly sees the errors of the org.

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How many years did you waste away in the Org?

by Tallon in

in my case; 27 years.

7 of which were as a ministerial serpent ... sorry, i mean 'servant' ;).

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Compared to everybody that is commenting here, I have been in for only a very short time. In total around three years, of which two years as an unbaptised publisher, never baptised.

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Reasons why I and we can succeed in life without religion.

by googleTTATT in

i am compiling my list of reasons.

you can add yours if you like to.. 1. religions like telling their members to pay a lot of tithes thereby making their members to be in need and poor..

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

A few weeks ago, in the African French Church that I sometimes attended, a woman was giving a testimony in front of the people in the church. She is an immigrant from Congo, and lately she received a permit to stay in Germany. She told how grateful she was that she had now obtained this permit and that she was allowed to stay in this country. She praised God and was very happy.

Then after this testimony, there was a sermon by also a Congolese man.

The sermon was about tithing. He told how there are three kinds of tiths that everybody needs to pay: 1.monthly tiths. 2. tith of tiths. 3. tiths of everything. It was complete nonsense. And then came the worst part of his sermon. He directly spoke to this woman in front of the whole church, and said to her that God had worked for her, God had given her this permit, and now she had to pay God back!

Completely appaling. As if God needs our money. I have since then left this church and am visiting other churches to see which is more pleasant.

The attitude of some churches toward tithing really is a problem.

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New teaching =There was no "Faithful slave" for 1900 years until Charles Russell!!

by Witness 007 in

shocking video from jw.org shows the "new light" that there was no slave class handing out spiritual food for 1900 years!!

so the original governing body became apostate and fell apart.

charles russell re-started the faithful slave even though the watchtower admits he learned everything he ever knew from the "second adventists".

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Lusitano,

i found the same thing as you, about saying that the most important thing that Jesus did was the preaching work.

i found it in the daily text for saturday 18 march.

Saturday, March 18

If anyone would minister to me, the Father will honor him.—John 12:26.

Among the crowds in Jerusalem were some Greek proselytes who evidently were so impressed with Jesus that they asked the apostle Philip to arrange a meeting with him. Jesus, however, refused to be distracted from the more important matters that lay ahead. He certainly did not want to try to gain popularity in order to avoid a sacrificial death at the hands of God’s enemies. So after explaining that he would soon die, he said to Andrew and Philip: “Whoever is fond of his life destroys it, but whoever hates his life in this world will safeguard it for everlasting life.” Rather than satisfy the curiosity of those Greeks, he recommended following his self-sacrificing course and said the words of today’s text. No doubt, Philip carried this positive message back to the inquirers. (John 12:20-25) Though Jesus refused to be distracted from his main purpose of preaching the good news, he was not always thinking about work. w15 10/15 3:13, 14

In French it is even clearer (but that might also be because english is not my first language)

Bien que Jésus n’ait pas voulu se laisser distraire de son objectif principal, la prédication de la bonne nouvelle, il ne pensait pas qu’à travailler. w15 15/10 3:13, 14.

Jesus was sent to earth to fulfill the scriptures, that was his main objective in my view, not the preaching work. I think it is appaling that they portray Jesus as someone that is just like JW's, a 'full time pioneer'. JW's say they are like the first century Christians. But instead of acting like first century Cristians, they make the first century Christians look like 21st century JW's. not the other way around.

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Dutch Elections

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

voters are going to the polls in the netherlands in the first of three crucial eurozone elections this year.

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the voter turnout might set a new record.. what do you hope will be the result?.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Voters are going to the polls in the Netherlands in the first of three crucial eurozone elections this year.

The voter turnout might set a new record.

What do you hope will be the result?

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Organizational Accomplishments - Reaching Hearts in the Digital Age

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

in a new video on jw.org, the website is being praised.. https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/pub-mwbv_201703_4_video.

everything is available ''rapidly, economically, and simultaneously.

this form of electronic publishing is also more cost-effective.''.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

In a new video on JW.ORG, the website is being praised.

https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODOurOrganization/pub-mwbv_201703_4_VIDEO

Everything is available ''rapidly, economically, and simultaneously. This form of electronic publishing is also more cost-effective.''

The video is about how Jehovah's organisation benefit from having this website on the internet.

As if internet is helping the JW's... haha, so not true.

On 4:10, a man says:

''Using the website has allowed our family to draw closer together, to Jehovah, to Jesus and to the whole organisation.''

First thing coming to my mind is how these three are used quite similar as how people speak about the Trinity in ''False Religion.''

Enjoy the video.

Lovely spiritual food again.

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Todays WT theme scripture

by NikL in

so today's study article uses 1cor 3:17 as it's theme text.. i looked it over and if you read from 14 an interesting thing happens.... 14 but their minds were dulled.+ for to this present day, the same veil remains unlifted when the old covenant is read,+ because it is taken away only by means of christ.+ 15 in fact, to this day whenever moses is read,+ a veil lies upon their hearts.+ 16 but when one turns to jehovah,* the veil is taken away.+ 17 now jehovah* is the spirit,+ and where the spirit of jehovah* is, there is freedom.+ .

so my question is, is it by "means of christ" or by "turning to jehovah" that the veil is taken away?.

in any other translation i've looked at, the use of the word lord is employed leading one to assume that it's turning to the christ that takes the veil away..

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

I think, the answer can be found in the next chapter. 2 Corinthians 4:1-6

Therefore, since we have this ministry through the mercy that was shown us, we do not give up. 2 But we have renounced the shameful, underhanded things, not walking with cunning or adulterating the word of God;+ but by making the truth manifest, we recommend ourselves to every human conscience in the sight of God.+ 3 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things*+ has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,+ so that the illumination* of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God,+might not shine through.+ 5 For we are preaching, not about ourselves, but about Jesus Christ as Lord and ourselves as your slaves for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God is the one who said: “Let the light shine out of darkness,”+ and he has shone on our hearts to illuminate them+ with the glorious knowledge of God by the face of Christ.

The NWT has changed Lord into Jehovah several times in chapter 3, because for their interpretation, they cannot allow the suggestion that Paul is talking about Jesus there instead of Jehovah. But if you read chapter 4, Paul clearly says it is Jesus that he means with Lord. To me it seems weird to interpret these chapters as if Paul is talking about the Lord in chapter 3 thinking about Jehovah, and then in chapter 4 the same message, but thinking about Jesus.

Shows the inconsistenties of the NWT IMHO